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BCG or Immucothel this is the question

12 years 2 months ago #7520 by wendy
You mentioned Immucothel, and I found another version of KLH for sale as well, so there is some competition, that's good. Both are available in the USA for investigation, restricted but available. (more at the link I gave in my other post)

Does your father's doctor have access to Immucothel where in Bulgaria? Is it covered by insurance or do you have to pay for it? Is it expensive?

Please forgive all the questions but we don't get to hear about this treatment very often. You are the second person I've met, the other guy was from Germany.

Like Zach, I also hope your father does very well and has no side effects at all~ that would be great.
Wendy

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12 years 2 months ago #7507 by europecure
They inject a protein from a california clam which has very large molecules. The immune system thinks the molecules are bacterias and acts accordingly.That's it, in a nutshell.

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12 years 2 months ago #7475 by Zachary
Last thought on language difficulties... ;D

A couple of years ago a friend went to a bakery to order a cake for a Father's Day party. The woman behind the counter didn't speak or understand english very well. She wanted to know what name to put on the cake. Because there would be many fathers at the party, my friend didn't want a name on the cake, so she said please just put Father's Day only.


Here is the cake she picked up:




"Standing on my Head"---my chemo journal
T3a Grade 4 N+M0
RC at USC/Norris June 23, 2006 by Dr. John Stein

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12 years 2 months ago #7471 by Zachary

Don't google anything if you don't like it. You sound like I owe you something which I don't.


You're right. You don't owe me anything.

But you do owe this forum something. A major, extraordinary claim like you've made--"NO side effects, none, and more efficient"--requires major and extraordinary proof, not just a statement. If you've provided any, I haven't seen it.

You're the one who came here and made these very major claims, all I asked for is something to back them up.

I realize we have a bit of a language barrier, and typing back and forth isn't really the best way to communicate every nuance we're trying to get across. I hope you see my point, though.

If I came up to you and said "Please buy my brand of gasoline--you'll get twice the mileage and your car will go faster and the paint will stay shinier", you'd want to see some proof. Same here. In medical and scientific matters, verifiable and repeatable written documentation is what matters most. Not claims and especially not testimonials. Faith healers have claims and can provide testimonials. I've seen preachers on middle-of-the-night television shows who claim that you can be cured if you buy and drink some of their mineral water.

I hope it turns out that it is better than BCGs. I hope your father does well with it.

"Standing on my Head"---my chemo journal
T3a Grade 4 N+M0
RC at USC/Norris June 23, 2006 by Dr. John Stein

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12 years 2 months ago #7456 by europecure
Hi Zachary,
Don't google anything if you don't like it. You sound like I owe you something which I don't. I am just putting some info which someone might find interesting.
I am not selling anything and I don't owe anything to anybody.The medicine will be aproved in Germany anytime now it is in the last faze of the process there.It is aproved in Austria and the Nederlands for some time now.My father resides in Bulgaria and is treated there.

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12 years 2 months ago #7455 by Zachary

It is more efficient and no side effects, none.Google it and see for yourself.


That's a bit like me saying "I've never ridden a unicycle. Google it and see for yourself!"

Actually I *can* ride a unicycle, but that's beside the point.

From what I can tell by googling it, Immucothel is still in clinical trials in Germany. Not every facet and detail and result that occurs during clinical trials are necessarily, how shall I say this, google-able. Google is fine for discovering what is placed on websites accessible to the public. Not all information culled during clinical trials is made public until the trials are complete.

I hope it works, and I hope there actually are no side effects. At the same time, I'm hoping someone will buy me a free lunch tomorrow. I'm always optimistic, but just to be on the safe side I'm packing one anyway.

"Standing on my Head"---my chemo journal
T3a Grade 4 N+M0
RC at USC/Norris June 23, 2006 by Dr. John Stein

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