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8 years 7 months ago #39027 by mmc
Yes, his bladder cancer metastasized. He continued without any conventional treatment and died.

However, my one guy dying is just like one guy not dying. It's not enough evidence either way. One guy surviving a parachute not opening doesn't necessarily make it a good idea to jump without a parachute.

Early stages of bladder cancer are very treatable. The trick is not to wait too long before taken some action.

Here is an article that may be of interest: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/laetrile/HealthProfessional/page5 from clinical trial results.

What is important is the stage and grade of bladder cancer. What is yours? Have you had any kinds of treatment at all?

Mike

Age 54
10/31/06 dx CIS (TisG3) non-invasive (at 47)
9/19/08 TURB/TUIP dx Invasive T2G3
10/8/08 RC neobladder(at 49)
2/15/13 T4G3N3M1 distant metastases(at 53)
9/2013 finished chemo -cancer free again
1/2014 ct scan results....distant mets
2/2014 ct result...spread to liver, kidneys, and lymph...

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8 years 7 months ago #39026 by horace
Mike,

Just one question, do you know what this person actually died of?

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8 years 7 months ago #39025 by horace
Hi Mike,

Well that's socking it to me! :)

I appreciate your comments and will think about what you say.

However, In a previous post I said I knew of a chap who had been taking apricot kernels for 2 - 3 years and had had no return symptoms.

In talking to him again, I find out that he has actually been taking the kernels for 5 years.

He had one TURBT (which turned out to be very painful) and was asked to come back for another cystoscopy. He declined and decided to go with the kernels.

I am wondering, given the nature of BC, whether it is likely that a person could have a 5 year free period without symptoms if there was no conventional therapy applied?

Would it be expected that within five years there would be resurgent carcinoma and haematuria?

Anyone got any ideas?

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8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago #39015 by mmc
For your sake I hope that is not the only treatment you are doing for bladder cancer.
I recall seeing somewhere online a site from a guy who said he was going to do that but his last posts were a few years ago because he died instead of getting proper treatment.

Seeds aren't going to cure bladder cancer but as long as you don't take toxic doses it might not hurt if you think it's actually doing something. Please get conventional treatment as well and inform your urologist of your self treatment supplements.

Those wave machines, crystals, broccoli, etc. have no scientific evidence (regardless of what some whacko posts on the Internet) that they cure bladder cancer.

There is always a case of "I heard of some guy" or "somebody told me it worked or them" for every kind of cancer cure, hair restoration, grow or shrink this or that body part, etc.

For example, I personally know a guy who was a chain smoker until he was 86 years old when he decided to quit. Still living at 92. Therefore, all the studies must be wrong and cigarette smoking to excess must be the key to long life.

Don't get sucked in to those kinds of scams. That guy in Nigeria really isn't going to give you money, your penis isn't getting any bigger and you really didn't win the UK lottery.

Sorry if I sound harsh but somebody has to say these things.

It's your life that you are gambling with!

I really hope you will follow a medically relevant treatment plan.


Mike

Age 54
10/31/06 dx CIS (TisG3) non-invasive (at 47)
9/19/08 TURB/TUIP dx Invasive T2G3
10/8/08 RC neobladder(at 49)
2/15/13 T4G3N3M1 distant metastases(at 53)
9/2013 finished chemo -cancer free again
1/2014 ct scan results....distant mets
2/2014 ct result...spread to liver, kidneys, and lymph...

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8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago #38936 by horace
Thanks for the hellos Cynthia and Catherine.

I've signed up to two BC groups - interesting to read all the posts.

I have read a good deal on the subject and I was hoping somewhere here might have some experience with the therapy.

I've already been taking apricot kernels (a source of B17)for 5 - 6 weeks. I was taking 40 - 60 per day for a couple of weeks - and I'm still here - by some accounts this should have killed me :-). I'm now down to about 20 a day. I also take the suggested supplements.

I have just spoken to an old fella who has (had?) BC and who has been taking 3 - 4 apricot kernels with each meal and says he's had no symptoms for 2 - 3 years since his TURBT.

Last weekend I met a guy who was diagnosed with incurable lymphoma and was given 4 - 5 years to live. He radically altered his diet and a fews years later starting taking apricot kernels. 13 years down the track his cancer is nowhere to be seen and is in perfect health.

I have vacillated between being skeptical and hopeful but I have decided to give them a go.

All the best to all.

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8 years 7 months ago #38905 by CatherineH
Hello Horace... Welcome to the forum and I am glad you decided to join. You'll find lots of information here and just as importantly, lots of caring people who have gone down this road and generously share their experiences. And you'll find a lot of humor interjected along the way because sometimes a good laugh is just the pick-me up that can brighten an otherwise dreary day.

Sorry I can't answer your question other than the wiki info Cynthia provided. Perhaps others on here can chime in later with something more. In the meantime, I hope you have been able to search or browse through the various topics for any information that might be of interest to you. I know this is a place you never expected to find yourself, but you are never alone here.

Catherine

Best wishes... Catherine
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TURBT 1/21/10 at age 55
Dx: T2aN0M0 Primary Bladder Adenocarcinoma
Partial Cystectomy 2/25/10
Vanderbilt Medical Center
Nashville, TN

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