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8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago #39084 by horace
DD,

As I said, I started this thread seeking information about people's personal experience with B17 so I could make up my mind about whether I go that path.

You and Mike have turned this into a debate about the efficacy and toxicity of the B17 therapy. That was and is not my intention. However, this being the case, you are clearly not willing to look at all of the evidence for B17's efficacy (hundreds of testimonies on the web for starters) and the history of how it's use has been suppressed. This discussion will only end in acrimony - if it isn't there already. So I am going to leave you and Mike to go for it.

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8 years 7 months ago #39083 by dieseldoc
If your not selling this stuff, why are you defending it so strongly? The stuff does not work, it is dangerous, and it is illegal. There has been a lot of clinical studies to prove this. If this B17 was so great why is it not used by all doctors. I really don't want to hear about government conspiracies cause that's a bunch of crap and a cop out.

T1,NO,MO battling bladder cancer since 2005

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8 years 7 months ago #39082 by horace
DD,

It sounds like you are trying to sell this stuff to use!!!

LOL!

I am not a vendor or associated with a vendor of any kind.

I started the thread looking for people with personal experiences of B17 - good or bad - Mike was the only one that came close.

Have you looked at the Sloan Kettering/Moss/Sugiura situation yet?

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8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago #39081 by horace
So of 100 people diagnosed with bladder cancer (typically diagnosed via a TURBT), 30 people will not have any recurrence in 5 years.


The problem here Mike is that the website you draw your information from does not clearly specify whether the population of BC suffers the subject of these numbers had any treatment or not - there are only allusions. Reading the website information, however, I'm guessing it's talking about people who have undergone conventional treatment paths post diagnosis. This is not comparable to the situation with my friend who, after his first and only TURBT, has not had any further conventional treatment.

What would be relevant would be to find statistics for recurrence and survival for people who have had no conventional treatment. These then would be comparable to my friend's situation.

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8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago #39080 by dieseldoc
Upon reading the ingredients for this B17 stuff, it sounds a lot like methamphetamine. Witch is illegal in this country, Horace. The only thing missing is pseudoephedrine.
It sounds like you are trying to sell this stuff to use!!!
OH, wait, it is illegal to sell this stuff as a cancer treatment in the US.

T1,NO,MO battling bladder cancer since 2005

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8 years 7 months ago #39079 by mmc
Just so other people don't think "What about THAT guy?" with regard to the friend taking apricot seeds, the chances of getting to 5 years without a recurrence is: 30%.

So of 100 people diagnosed with bladder cancer (typically diagnosed via a TURBT), 30 people will not have any recurrence in 5 years.

Medscape: Bladder Cancer

Recurrent bladder cancer



Bladder cancer has the highest recurrence rate of any malignancy (ie, 70% within 5 y). Although most patients with bladder cancer can be treated initially with organ-sparing therapy, most experience either recurrence or progression. The underlying genetic changes that result in a bladder tumor occur in the entire urothelium, making the whole lining of the urinary system susceptible to tumor recurrence.

Risk factors for recurrence and progression include the following[43, 44] :

Female sex
Larger tumor size
Multifocality
Larger number of tumors
High tumor grade
Advanced stage
Presence of CIS

The time interval to recurrence is also significant. Patients with tumor recurrences within 2 years, and especially with recurrences within 3-6 months, have an aggressive tumor and an increased risk of disease progression.


Mike

Age 54
10/31/06 dx CIS (TisG3) non-invasive (at 47)
9/19/08 TURB/TUIP dx Invasive T2G3
10/8/08 RC neobladder(at 49)
2/15/13 T4G3N3M1 distant metastases(at 53)
9/2013 finished chemo -cancer free again
1/2014 ct scan results....distant mets
2/2014 ct result...spread to liver, kidneys, and lymph...

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