8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago#39084by horace
As I said, I started this thread seeking information about people's personal experience with B17 so I could make up my mind about whether I go that path.
You and Mike have turned this into a debate about the efficacy and toxicity of the B17 therapy. That was and is not my intention. However, this being the case, you are clearly not willing to look at all of the evidence for B17's efficacy (hundreds of testimonies on the web for starters) and the history of how it's use has been suppressed. This discussion will only end in acrimony - if it isn't there already. So I am going to leave you and Mike to go for it.
If your not selling this stuff, why are you defending it so strongly? The stuff does not work, it is dangerous, and it is illegal. There has been a lot of clinical studies to prove this. If this B17 was so great why is it not used by all doctors. I really don't want to hear about government conspiracies cause that's a bunch of crap and a cop out.
8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago#39081by horace
So of 100 people diagnosed with bladder cancer (typically diagnosed via a TURBT), 30 people will not have any recurrence in 5 years.
The problem here Mike is that the website you draw your information from does not clearly specify whether the population of BC suffers the subject of these numbers had any treatment or not - there are only allusions. Reading the website information, however, I'm guessing it's talking about people who have undergone conventional treatment paths post diagnosis. This is not comparable to the situation with my friend who, after his first and only TURBT, has not had any further conventional treatment.
What would be relevant would be to find statistics for recurrence and survival for people who have had no conventional treatment. These then would be comparable to my friend's situation.
8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago#39080by dieseldoc
Upon reading the ingredients for this B17 stuff, it sounds a lot like methamphetamine. Witch is illegal in this country, Horace. The only thing missing is pseudoephedrine.
It sounds like you are trying to sell this stuff to use!!!
OH, wait, it is illegal to sell this stuff as a cancer treatment in the US.
Bladder cancer has the highest recurrence rate of any malignancy (ie, 70% within 5 y). Although most patients with bladder cancer can be treated initially with organ-sparing therapy, most experience either recurrence or progression. The underlying genetic changes that result in a bladder tumor occur in the entire urothelium, making the whole lining of the urinary system susceptible to tumor recurrence.
Risk factors for recurrence and progression include the following[43, 44] :
Larger tumor size
Larger number of tumors
High tumor grade
Presence of CIS
The time interval to recurrence is also significant. Patients with tumor recurrences within 2 years, and especially with recurrences within 3-6 months, have an aggressive tumor and an increased risk of disease progression.